Ralph Zuranski: Hi, this is Ralph Zuranski; I’m
on the phone with Chuck Daniel. Chuck is one of the
Internet Heroes that I met at Joel Christopher’s
seminar, the Double Birthday Bash. Chuck had a long
career in technology working with Microsoft to write
software programs.
Ralph Zuranski: I think he worked with Outlook
and did a tremendous amount of work in that area and in
the process of just being involved in technology, he got
interested in internet marketing, because he knows now
that the most important thing for any business is that
you need to be able to sell the products and services of
that business and the more successful the sales are, the
more successful that business is if they provide good
quality service and good quality products.
Ralph Zuranski: So how are you doing today,
Chuck?
Chuck Daniel: I’m doing great, Ralph. It’s great
to be on the call.
Ralph Zuranski: I really appreciate you offering
to help. You are one of the heroes who offered to help
with providing software for a number of the schools in
the different programs, and I’m thankful that you’re
willing to do that for the schools up in your area once
we get ready to start the Heroes program in every
community.
Chuck Daniel: I’m very glad to help that way,
Ralph.
Ralph Zuranski: I really appreciate that and the
first question I want to ask is what is your definition
of a hero?
Chuck Daniel: Well, that’s an interesting
question.
Chuck Daniel: I don’t really have one single
definition, because you know, I think people can be
heroes in many different ways.
Chuck Daniel: If you look at, say for example,
the firemen or policemen or any of the others who helped
with the 9/11 tragedy for example, that’s one type of
hero.
Chuck Daniel: But, I also think that people who
consistently and selflessly help others, sometimes even
at high personal cost or risks because it’s the right
thing to do are heroes.
Chuck Daniel: For example, people who walk their
talk, even in the face of adversity are also heroes in
my mind, or even people who inspire or motivate others
to do their best are heroes.
Chuck Daniel: Children who carry on as best they
can with a positive attitude even though they may have a
challenging disease, I think those kids are really
heroes as well.
Chuck Daniel: I don’t have one definition, but I
hope you can get a sense of the type of person who I
think are heroes.
Ralph Zuranski: I really agree with that. There
are so many people around us, and sometimes you wonder
if societies can’t find any heroes. They say, “Where are
the heroes?” Well, they should probably look next door,
look at your neighbors, and look at the people you work
with.
Chuck Daniel: Everybody goes through difficult
times in their lives. What was the lowest point in your
life, and how did you change your life path to one of
victory over the obstacles, because I know you had some
pretty big obstacles to overcome in your life.
Chuck Daniel: I guess a low point would have been
when I was quite young. I was 21 at the time, and I was
attending the University of Alberta in Edmonton, Alberta
in Canada.
Chuck Daniel: I was off for the summer, and I
woke up one morning with this giant swelling on my
neck. At first, I was kind of freaked out because I
hadn’t had mumps yet, and that can have some pretty
severe consequences if you get it as an adult.
Chuck Daniel: But it turns out I had something
worse!
Chuck Daniel: I had a form of cancer; the
technical term is lymphoblastic lymphoma. It’s a form
of cancer in which people of that age, the age of 21, it
is normally fatal, and so I guess, you could say the low
point for me is that at that age when you basically feel
like you are invincible, you’re getting some news
saying, "Hey, you’re not invincible and you have a
pretty severe disease and you have to come to terms with
it."
Chuck Daniel: For me, that was one of the lowest
points of my life, at least in terms of the news and
then, you have to come and gain some perspective that
way.
Chuck Daniel: I guess you asked, "How did it
change my life?" I guess it changed it in some pretty
fundamental ways. I don’t know if I’ve been pretty
victorious against everything I’ve come up against. I
have taken what I’ve learned from having cancer and been
successful for most things.
Chuck Daniel: You get a perspective that says, I
decided that no matter what, I was going to do
everything that I could to try and beat the disease,
even though the treatment that they had at that time was
not the greatest. The standard treatment was
chemotherapy and radiation, and it wasn’t an exact
science. They just did the best they could based on how
they had treated people previously.
Chuck Daniel: And so, what I decided to do was
that I decided I was going to try and beat it and I did
beat it. I’m happy to say that I’ve been in remission
for more than 20 years now.
Chuck Daniel: The thing that happened from that
is that I got perspective of, I’m not invincible. I
think part of my cancer was caused by the stress of a
lot of things going on in my life just at that time, and
so I learned to put things in perspective and not get so
stressed out about certain things. Also, the fact that
something even as severe as cancer can be beaten if you
believe that you can beat it and that attitude has
really affected everything that I have done from that
point on.
Ralph Zuranski: So having a positive view of
setbacks and misfortunes and mistakes is important, you
feel?
Chuck Daniel: Oh, absolutely. I don’t believe
that I could have beaten cancer unless I had a positive
viewpoint.
Chuck Daniel: And I mean it was hard because at
that time I was in shock. It was something that I
thought, "This is not going to happen to me." I was very
healthy and yet I still got the disease.
Chuck Daniel: I believe that most things happen
for a reason, and that you need to look at that reason,
learn from it and move on. I also believe that people
have personal responsibility for the things that happen
to them.
Chuck Daniel: Some things might seem beyond your
control, but I don’t think that those things happen very
often. And also, if you don’t take personal
responsibility, then you’re really giving up your
control or whatever personal power you might have over
the situation, and I think it's better for me personally
to be directing my life than leave it up to fate or in
the hands of others.
Chuck Daniel: I can depend on me, so that’s kind
of a philosophy or viewpoint that I’ve had even before
cancer but certainly after having that disease.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, I guess so, and how
important do you feel it is to be optimistic about the
future?
Chuck Daniel: I think it's incredibly important
to be optimistic. I’d say that I’ve always been an
optimist.
Chuck Daniel: Sometimes it has gotten me into
trouble, (laughs) but what I will say is that, being an
optimist, I guess, how I define an optimist is, I always
think, I have this perspective that the right things
will happen and that people will do the right thing.
Chuck Daniel: I think that having that
expectation actually causes, most times, those things to
happen just because having those expectations that has
an impact that seems to affect the way that things go,
and I’m certainly a happier person because of it.
Chuck Daniel: Certainly, I’ve been disappointed
at times but I would say the majority of times that I’ve
expected something to happen it has happened so that’s
kind of my outlook.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, I know that you were very
successful at Microsoft and worked there for about ten
years, I think, and you decided that you wanted to get
into a new career as far as marketing things on the
internet and teaching other people how to be successful
in marketing things on the internet. Did it take a lot
of courage to pursue those new ideas?
Chuck Daniel: Yes, it did take a bit of courage;
at least I like to think so anyway. I’ve done many
things in my life just purely out of interest and some
of them were out of the mainstream and no one else was
interested in them at the time; it was just my personal
interest.
Chuck Daniel: Part of it was I grew up in a small
town, but I was interested in things like software,
magic, martial arts and I didn’t really have friends
that were interested in those and yet, I still went out
and pursued a degree in computer science. I was a
reasonable amateur magician. I studied martial arts and
I continue to study them to this day.
Chuck Daniel: If you look at my career path like
you mentioned, I developed software for Microsoft in the
electronic email server area for many years, like 10 or
11 years.
Chuck Daniel: Then because of my interest, or my
growing interest in internet direct marketing, I wasn’t
quite ready to go it on my own at that time, but I
decided that I would switch to a role in program
management in the customer relationship management group
because that group had a division that did electronic
email marketing and also I thought that the skill set
that the program manager would have to develop.
Chuck Daniel: Like acting as a liaison to the
customer, doing more presenting, understanding what
customers really wanted, I really felt that in order to
understand that better that would be a good role for me.
So it was a big decision after ten years to leave
software development and switch skill sets and go into
that area.
Chuck Daniel: When I did finally decide to leave
Microsoft and become an entrepreneur in the internet and
direct marketing business, in Big Ticket Marketing, all
those changes required some courage to pursue because
they pushed me personally out of my comfort zone in
order to do it.
Chuck Daniel: Because some of the skills, I
didn’t have and I had to develop, and it was a new thing
for me. I find learning fun and exciting.
Chuck Daniel: In one respect, it is very
challenging, but you have to go outside of your comfort
zone and you know, I wouldn’t say it was a huge amount
of courage but it does require courage just to pursue
those things that are newer or just to get out of the
every day types of things that we have been doing.
Ralph Zuranski: So, it is just sort of
uncomfortable in pursuing your dreams. You have to grow
as a person; you have to make definite decisions to
change your lifestyle. How uncomfortable do you think
most people have it when they have to make changes in
their lives also?
Chuck Daniel: I think everyone has to experience
discomfort of some sort to pursue their dreams.
Chuck Daniel: I’ve been lucky in that outside of
the cancer that I had, most of my discomfort has come
from stretching, learning and growing in areas that I
wanted to pursue.
Chuck Daniel: There are many people that I have
read about or heard about that have experienced far more
adversity than I have, and it really amazes me to hear
their stories.
Chuck Daniel: It’s like we were saying before the
call, Ralph, it’s really inspirational to hear about
people’s stories and understand their background.
Chuck Daniel: So I try to read as many of their
stories, or hear about their stories or when I’m meeting
people to learn about their stories because learning
about the stories helps bring me up and helps put things
in perspective.
Chuck Daniel: So even if I might be feeling a bit
down on a particular day or things aren’t going
particularly well, just by trying to read a little bit
or learn a little about somebody else, if you look at
some of the things that they’ve gone through and then
you say, " You know what? Maybe things aren’t so bad."
Chuck Daniel: Get off your butt and go do
something about it because like I said, cancer was a
tremendous shock and I did manage to conquer that, but
I’ve read a lot of other people’s stories and boy,
they’ve overcome even more adversity than I have.
Ralph Zuranski: You know, in the pursuit of your
dreams, is it important to really believe in your
dreams? I know a lot of people that are in your life,
they have a tendency not to believe in your dreams and
to try to squash what you want to try to do. How
important do you feel it is to believe in your dreams?
Chuck Daniel: I think it's really, really
important and that’s true, like you mentioned, there are
people, part of why people try and dissuade you from
your dreams is because you are growing in a certain way
and they are comfortable with you the way that you
currently are and so that’s kind of uncomfortable for
them.
Chuck Daniel: They may be a little afraid that
the relationship that they have built with you will go
farther apart if you go that route and perhaps they are
right, but you have to follow what you want to do. If
you want to go in a certain direction, and you make up
your mind to go there, then you can set some goals and
make it a reality.
Chuck Daniel: I don’t think that I am a diehard
goal setter, but I have always had some broad strokes
for the direction I wanted to go in my life, and then I
work toward them.
Chuck Daniel: I also believe that you have to be
very flexible when it comes to your goals. I am more of
a short-term goal setter with broad strokes for the
longer term, and then I’m flexible about what I do to
get me where I want to go.
Chuck Daniel: And it’s a model that seems to have
worked pretty well for me, I do try to plan out about
three months in advance, kind of on a weekly basis, but
my goal is not as granular as others that I have seen.
Chuck Daniel: Yes, I do believe that you have to
believe in your dreams and follow them in order for them
to become a reality, because it’s just too easy to give
up if you listen to everybody else.
Ralph Zuranski: So you believe that goal setting
is important?
Chuck Daniel: Yes, absolutely.
Ralph Zuranski: You know, as we go through life
and we are seeking after our dreams, it seems that there
are a lot of doubts and fears that plague us on a daily
basis. How are you able to overcome your doubts and
fears?
Chuck Daniel: Well for me, I had a lot of role
models; some of them direct role models and some of them
indirect role models, I definitely believe in
mentorship. Friends have helped me sometimes. I do
believe in myself and that partly came from my
background growing up and also the experiences I’ve had
growing up in my life like with cancer and other things.
Chuck Daniel: I also mentioned before that I try
to read something positive or listen to something on
tape and that has helped a lot. So those types of
things, most especially the role models played a big
role in helping me overcome doubts and fears.
Ralph Zuranski: You know it seems it’s a fact of
life that people offend us, they upset us, they oppose
us, and forgiveness is something that’s important. How
are you able to forgive those people that upset, offend
and oppose you?
Chuck Daniel: Well, for one reason I’m pretty
optimistic and I have a very thick skin so I’ve never
been one to hold a grudge anyway because it just takes
too much energy.
Chuck Daniel: I do get upset at people sometimes,
but I try and think about it from their perspective.
Sometimes I’ll find that it's me being the pain, but
then of course if that’s true I can apologize and we can
move on.
Chuck Daniel: I do tend to move forward fairly
quickly. I don’t dwell on things too much other than to
try and learn whatever lesson I can learn from the
experience, so that I can prevent repeat problems or
performances like that in the future.
Chuck Daniel: But I tend to just say, I either
shrug stuff off or look at it and say, "What can I learn
from this?" and then move on. I think the primary
reason is that I think it does take a lot of energy if
you don’t do that. I’d prefer to take my energy and
apply it in more productive ways.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, I know that you are really
interested in serving others and I wanted to know if you
find that as a source of joy.
Chuck Daniel: I do. I’ve always liked to help
people if I can, and you know, the service or the help
that you can give to people can vary. Like for example,
the help in my case might be technical help because of
my background in computers or from my work at Microsoft,
or it might be organizational in nature.
Chuck Daniel: A simple thing, for example, I help
run the Scholastic book program for my son’s class,
which is something that they needed a volunteer to do,
or just working for charitable organizations, like I’m
currently involved with Ronald McDonald House in
Seattle. What they do is they provide homes, kind of
home away from homes for families of children with
cancer.
Chuck Daniel: Also St. Jude is another hospital
for children with cancer, and part of that comes from my
experience with cancer, but also because my feeling is
that kids shouldn’t really have to deal with problems
that are that big when they’re young. They don’t have
any bad habits or real stresses or issues that could
have caused that cancer.
Chuck Daniel: They were unlucky enough to get it
and what really amazes me is, you visit these houses or
places like this, and they are still all so positive.
Chuck Daniel: They are still kids and they are
playing and that part of it really does give me a lot of
joy and faith that these kids can really be so positive
in spite of the fact that they’ve got to get these
treatments and it’s really thrown their world around.
Ralph Zuranski: Yeah, wow, that is amazing. It’s
funny that you talk about Ronald McDonald, Randy Charach,
one of the heroes I interviewed yesterday, and he
actually was Ronald McDonald for six years….
Chuck Daniel: Oh, was he?
Ralph Zuranski: And he went to all the different
places. I didn’t know that too. He had benign cancer in
his leg that caused him unbearable pain. His story is
just amazing too, and how he was able to overcome that.
It was probably one of the high points of his life,
spending six years as Ronald McDonald, going to all the
different places where kids were suffering from the
different diseases.
Chuck Daniel: Yeah, I could see that. I could see
him getting a lot of joy out of that, even in spite of
the fact that the kids are going through what they are
going through.
Ralph Zuranski: That’s amazing. How important is
it to maintain a sense of humor in the face of serious
problems since you’ve definitely had your share?
Chuck Daniel: Oh, I think it is important. I
mean, I know sometimes when things get tough, no matter
what I’m working on; I just make fun of myself because
it lightens my mood! You know, I’ll get on my own case,
“Quit being so grumpy, or whatever”. There’s lots of
stuff you can do.
Chuck Daniel: I also know from reading that
laughter is supposed to be very therapeutic and healing
anyway. For example, I read someplace that when you are
feeling down, just force yourself to smile because
apparently it's impossible to feel down when you’re
smiling. There’s something physiological about the way
that curving your mouth upward that forces your mood.
It’s linked somehow.
Chuck Daniel: So I think that having a sense of
humor kind of forces you to do that smiling process and
so yes, I really think it is important.
Chuck Daniel: And also, I think the sense of
humor is one way of keeping things in perspective. If
you can lighten your mood and really look at it and say,
"Okay, what’s going on?"
Chuck Daniel: I also think if you are working in
a team, that it’s very important, because it eases the
mood of the team and makes them focus more on solving
whatever challenge you are trying to solve rather than
getting down and griping about it.
Ralph Zuranski: Yeah, that makes a lot of sense.
Who are the heroes in your life?
Chuck Daniel: Oh, I’ve had, like I mentioned
before, I’ve had a lot, some indirect and some direct.
You know, first of all, I guess my parents. From early
on, my mom always said you’re going to university. You
can do whatever you want, and you just have to decide
what you want to do.
Chuck Daniel: Just having someone tell you that
when you are very young is very important, because you
do form your impressions from people how they act and
what their expectations are for you.
Chuck Daniel: So, her expectations were very
clear and I think that really helped me go to university
and lots of things later on.
Chuck Daniel:My dad, he was always kind of
joking, he had a great sense of humor, and he did things
like, he was very willing to change jobs many times, to
stop being transferred around.
Chuck Daniel: He was a bank manager for many
years, but that job required him to move from town to
town and we didn’t like it. So he kind of sacrificed
that to have a more stable home life, so we didn’t have
to move around as much.
Chuck Daniel: Like when we were talking about
what makes a hero, this is something that’s a very
simple thing, but it’s something that they did that
played an important role in my life.
Chuck Daniel: My sister was also very important.
She has a gift. She can work with kids that have
disabilities like hearing impairment or maybe they are
learning challenged. And so, I got a chance to see her
work with those kids and that’s very inspiring.
Chuck Daniel:There are lots of other role models
as well. We talked about inspirational and motivational
people. I really enjoy Tony Robbins’ work. I have
almost all his complete library of stuff, and I enjoy
listening to it because he does bring you up and he does
give you some tools you can use.
Chuck Daniel: Another guy, Bill Phillips, he had
the Body for Life program. He single handedly helped a
lot of people get in better shape than they were in and
because of that, really opened up the possibilities that
said, "If I can get out of the terrible shape I was in,
into this fantastic shape; I can really do anything."
Chuck Daniel: I have my own internet and direct
marketing mentor in Joel Christopher, who is guiding me
in that arena.
Chuck Daniel: You look at someone like Bill
Gates. He is very successful in business. He has created
a very successful company. His software is in use almost
everywhere, and he is very philanthropic as well. He’s
given millions or maybe even billions to the AIDS
effort.
Chuck Daniel: And other people, Bill Phillips as
well is involved with the program for terminally ill
kids, where they submit a wish; Make-A-Wish foundation.
Chuck Daniel:Most recently, if you just look at
the internet marketing arena, there are lots of speakers
and marketers who are always at events who are heroes of
mine because of what they have been able to accomplish,
just as entrepreneurs and in business.
Ralph Zuranski: Mine too.
Chuck Daniel: Lots of heroes, both direct and
indirect.
Ralph Zuranski: When you think there is any group
of heroes in our society today that aren’t getting the
recognition that they deserve?
Chuck Daniel: I think there are.
Chuck Daniel: Part of it is at the start when we
talked about the definition of hero, we do have a lot of
people who are heroes and they are very public heroes,
but there a lot of people that work in the background,
like the 9/11 folks.
Chuck Daniel: Some of them were on TV and some of
them did get coverage, but there were a whole lot of
folks who were there and were also helping and they
weren’t getting coverage, but they were heroes
nevertheless.
Chuck Daniel: And people, like I said, people can
be different heroes in different ways. I think the
ability to be a successful role model for someone else
is a way to be a hero as well…
Ralph Zuranski: I agree.
Chuck Daniel: But, there are lots of people that
you never hear about. Like you were mentioning, maybe
the ability to point out to people, just look around in
your neighborhood or indirectly at other people who are
doing these types of things and get to know what they do
and use that as a role model.
Ralph Zuranski: That’s a great idea. Why are
heroes so important in the lives of young people?
Chuck Daniel: I think they are most important in
the lives of young people because young people learn by
modeling. You can tell people, I can’t even remember
what the saying was, but basically, kids learn by what
you do, not what you tell them to do.
Ralph Zuranski: Isn’t that true?
Chuck Daniel: The best thing that you can do if
you want to be a role model or if you want to be a hero
in the life of a young person whether they are your
child or another child or you are involved in some sort
of scouting program, Big Brother program, any sort of
program like that. Or the kids in the neighborhood are
over and you are the dad in charge.
Chuck Daniel: You are impacting them from a very
early age on, just by what you are doing. They are
looking at it, they are evaluating it and they are
seeing it and they are going to model it, because they
are soaking up that type of stuff.
Chuck Daniel: And so I think that’s why it’s so
important that these people have a positive role model
to look up to.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, you know, I totally agree.
Kids watch what you do and don’t really listen to what
you say unless those two things match.
Chuck Daniel: Yes, they can find the difference.
They can pick it up even if it’s subtle.
Ralph Zuranski: How does it feel to be recognized
as an Internet Hero?
Chuck Daniel: Well, I don’t really consider
myself a hero, Ralph.
Chuck Daniel: I mean, if someone can learn from
me and benefit from me, I think that’s fantastic, and if
I can help a worthwhile cause that I believe in, then I
like to do that.
Chuck Daniel: Like I mentioned before, I enjoy
helping people and I try to do what I believe is right.
I try to do it consistently and I think if everybody did
that and tried to do their best at it then they could
all be heroes in some way, to their families, to their
communities, to their countries.
Chuck Daniel: I guess it kind of goes back to why
I don’t have one definition of hero. There’s lots of
ways that people can be heroes.
Ralph Zuranski: Do you think the world would be a
better place, especially if the media focused on the
good people do rather than the evil and just the wrong
things?
Chuck Daniel: I think so; it definitely doesn’t
seem to be their model though.
Chuck Daniel: I think bad news tends to sell
better. I don’t know why we focus on it. I guess maybe
that’s in some way the inherent nature; people tend to
be attracted to bad news. In fact, I think someone
tried to start a good newspaper once and it wasn’t very
successful.
Chuck Daniel: I know for me, I tend not to watch
the news at all; I barely watch news programs on TV
unless they are educational. I might run across some
stuff on the Internet, but I just find it, it’s too
distracting and it kind of focuses me on stuff that I
don’t want to focus on.
Chuck Daniel: Certainly I know that there are bad
things happening in the world, and it concerns me, but I
want to be able to focus on things that are positive and
letting people know about those things because
ultimately that will drive people’s behavior in the
right direction, I feel.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, that’s so true. What do
you think about the "In Search of Heroes" program and
its impact on youth, parents and business people?
Chuck Daniel: I really like the concept behind
the program, because, first of all, it teaches young
people a set of valuable skills and it does it by
providing them with role models who are already
successful and so those role models can give them a
great education and also opportunities to use what they
learn.
Chuck Daniel: If they can successfully learn the
skills and use them to either help a business or create
a business of their own, they can see how to provide
valuable products, and they can also see that by
providing that value that they can be compensated for
that.
Chuck Daniel: That’s fantastic, because they
don’t teach this in regular school classes. You learn
some valuable stuff in there but you don’t learn about
entrepreneurship. You don’t learn about building a
business. You don’t learn about how to figure out what
is valuable in providing that value and it's that value
that you get compensated for.
Chuck Daniel: So I think it has a wonderful
effect on the students involved, because they can
actually see it work and then they can take those skills
forward with them into whatever they ultimately decide
to do.
Chuck Daniel: And parents gain confidence because
they can say this is something they can help encourage
their children to do and this particular avenue is
something that is probably more positive than if their
time was occupied in other ways.
Chuck Daniel: And of course, business people get
the benefit of these student’s enthusiasm and they can
get help to accomplish their business goals for probably
a lot cheaper than they could if they actually had to
hire the experts and the business people themselves can
give back their expertise.
Chuck Daniel: So it’s a nice big circle where
every one benefits from everyone else. I really see
that as the impact that it has on all of those people.
Ralph Zuranski: That’s really a great
perspective. What are the things that parents can do
that will help their children realize that they too can
be heroes and make a positive difference in the lives of
others?
Chuck Daniel: I guess that’s a great question! I
guess what I would say is for parents; don’t say no if
you can avoid it.
Chuck Daniel: I mean, you have to be a
responsible parent, and you have to give your children
guidance when they need it. But really encourage
children to try things, don’t discourage them right away
because some times you might be surprised to find
something that maybe you would have considered
impossible or very difficult for your child, because he
might have a unique or novel way of approaching it. Or
maybe he’s got a way that he’s figured it out, and he
brings a new perspective to the table.
Chuck Daniel: Children are the most resourceful
human beings on the planet, right? They’ve got
enthusiasm, they’ve got dreams, let them see what they
can do, don’t judge them too early, try and encourage
them, be as good a role model as you can be.
Chuck Daniel: Like I said before, kids learn by
example in what we do, not by what we tell them to do.
I guess, kids are the world’s best modelers, so give
them something to model and let them try stuff.
Chuck Daniel: They might find some
disappointments but if you encourage them to say, "Hey,
it didn’t work this time. Let’s find something else."
Keep trying until you get it. If you are committed
enough, you are likely to find the answer.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, that’s great advice. I
really appreciate your time to answer these questions
and I was wondering if you had any words of advice
before you go?
Chuck Daniel: Well, I don’t know, I’m almost
“adviced out” on the questions! But I think the last
thing I said is probably the advice I would definitely
give to kids, and I think the "In Search of Heroes"
program can really help because of the way the program
is structured and because of what I said there. So, you
know it is a real opportunity for them to play a role
and I would encourage them to do that.
Ralph Zuranski: That’s such great advice. Chuck,
I really appreciate your time in answering these
questions and what a tremendous difference you are
making in communities and doing charitable work, and I’m
excited about your offer to head up the "In Search of
Heroes" program in your own local town, once we get the
book “In Search of Heroes” on the internet published, so
kids can actually go in and read about the local heroes
that we found and use them as role models.
Chuck Daniel: Well thanks, Ralph, I was glad to
be in on the call and I am looking forward to the
upcoming challenge and just keep me in the loop.
Chuck Daniel: I’m sure we will be in touch
because there’s lots of stuff on your web page that I
still haven’t explored yet, that I have to go back out
and have a look at.
Chuck Daniel: So I will probably call you up and
say hey, listen to this interview and I guess that’s an
other piece of advice I give people, go to the web page,
http://www.insearchofheroes.com. Check out the
program, and listen to what people have to say.
Chuck Daniel: There’s a lot of really, really
talented people out there and what they’ve said is
inspiring, exciting and sometimes even surprising.
Ralph Zuranski: Yes it is. You never know what is
going to pop out of a person’s head when you ask them a
challenging question.
Chuck Daniel: I agree.
Ralph Zuranski: Well, again, thanks so much, I
really appreciate your time!
Chuck Daniel: OK, thanks Ralph!
