Part 5: Transcript of Paulie's Sabol's In Search Of Heroes Interview" by Ralph Zuranski
Ralph Zuranski: It is pretty exponential, that’s for sure. I spent 24 years in that field and I know the value of good nutrition and doing the right things for your body, so I totally agree with you.
Paulie Sabol: One of his other quotes that he said that has meant a lot to me is, “An idea that is not dangerous, is unworthy of being called an idea at all.” That is a heroic statement, because it is talking about the fact that if you are going to get yourself behind something, you’re going to say, “I have a great idea,” it should make you tremble in its awesomeness.
You should be thinking to yourself, “If this idea can be pulled off, it is going to transform and change the world for the better.” I like that Oscar Wilde really reminded us that sometimes we treat any little notion that happens to pop by like it has the value of an idea.
But we’ve been told nothing is as powerful as an idea that has come at the right time, or whose time has come. I think it was Victor Hugo who said that. This is the same thing Oscar Wilde is reminding us. If an idea is truly great, is worth the title of an idea, it should really be just awesome, make us almost quake with the humility that we’ve been able to think it and receive it.
Ralph Zuranski: It is a little scary to indulge and also embark on journeys for great ideas and things that are going to make a dynamic difference in the world today.
Paulie Sabol: So with that, I will share a couple of my core philosophies. So this is 100% me, as opposed to my influences. One of my core philosophies, Ralph, is this one. It is called trust the truth. What I mean by the philosophy of trust the truth, and it is the profound number one reason why I agreed to accept this honor of doing this interview with you.
If we understand what a hero’s journey is, if we understand what that process is, then there are going to be times when things don’t go perfectly our way. When we do feel like we are about to be dashed against the obstacles, like there is just no energy to carry on. In fact, if we are in a relationship with a best friend, a boy friend, or a girl friend, perhaps even a mentor relationship, or a coach, and we’re trying to excel.
It is very important to be kind to ourselves as learners. Very often we want to punish learners. You’ll see some young person learning to do something and they behave in way that the parents or caregivers are objectionable to it, and they might reach over and slap them. We’re punishing the learner.
In the heroes’ journey, what I have found is that we just have to trust the truth. Know that the path of progress is just that. It is progress and not perfection. If we trust the truth and trust ourselves and know that over the course of all time, no caterpillar has ever turned into anything through metamorphosis except a beautiful butterfly.
They’ve never turned into a worthless pile of dung. They’ve always turned into a butterfly, every time. That’s what I mean by trust the truth. You see, I have a lot of interns; young heroes, like you are reaching out to, 18-24 years of age category, who come into our business as interns to learn how to achieve more and have more financial independence.
But I always trust the truth and I find that they get so much more than a revenue stream or income or work experience opportunity. They grow and transform as people just like the caterpillars into the butterflies.
Ralph Zuranski: What is your perspective on goodness, ethics, and moral behavior?
Paulie Sabol: This is an interesting question that you ask. There is much to be said. Here is my answer. I will actually take them in reverse order with your permission, because I believe taking them in that order actually illuminates a key issue.
I may be in the minority here, but I grow weary and tired of discussions for morality. Nichi said that morality is the best tool for leading humankind by the nose. He also called it the herd instinct of the individual. Morality in my view of the definition is outward focused.
It is usually used to censor, attack and divide. Ethics on the other hand, Ralph, is the thinking part of goodness behavior. Ethics is when logic, your intuition, and this understanding of value all meet together. That point, that thinking activity, is what ethics, ethical dilemma, ethical understanding, and ethical reasoning is all about.
Thus it is fundamentally personal. It is situational. It has a much higher ideal than can be comprised or codified into a series laws, commandments, or moral dictates. I think that ethics is the day to day activity of us walking through our heroic journey, whereas morality is very often a case of somebody else’s result of their heroic journey being imposed or imbued or endowed on somebody else.
In anticipation, or before, and sometimes unfortunately preventing them from making their own hero’s journey. That leaves us with goodness. Well, goodness is the doing part of ethical thinking. So through our ethical process, our understanding of value and situation and personal identity, we then act in accordance to that, and that is goodness.
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